What Do People Expect Of You As An Automotive Enthusiast?

"J. Drew Silvers" (drewcoustic) 04/07/2014 at 10:17 • Filed to: Car Enthusiasts, Car Repair, Engine Swaps

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I like people and always try to give them the benefit of the doubt as a general rule in my life, but one of the most plaguing annoyances in my current career path has to do with the expectations others hold of my abilities to aid them. I wrote an article a while back about not !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , but this time I want to talk about the other side of the issue: The Expectation quotient.

Currently, after spending a few years in an entirely different profession, I have come back into my family business of carpentry and am carving a niche of my own in building one-off furniture, like the coffee table above. Much of my time is put into pushing my stuff out in one form of marketing or another and so far things are going pretty well. The problem lies in the assumptions that are made by those who know me - about what I am actually doing with my time. What I mean is that the sort of things I am promoting to build my brand are of a specific personality. I build things off the top of my own head out of mostly salvaged and reclaimed wood and most of my pieces are original and not reproduced. This takes away the efforts and stress of someone saying:

"I want a cabinet that has to be 'XxXxX' dimensions, has four shelves, a particular door profile, and has to be color matched to the rest of my house."

The problem is, I get people asking me for just that type of build and wondering why something "smaller than that table" costs them significantly more than I am asking for said table. Time. That's why. Honestly, my builds start off with a pile of wood, I plane it down, joint it, form a basic idea of what I want to build, and just figure it out as I go along and get it done fairly quickly. With something of a specified size and style, I have to do all sorts of math, figure out dado depths, and if it didn't come out exactly right at the end, well, I am up the creek. Building to a persons specifications just takes much more time.

What does this have to do with cars?

Hang on, I'm getting there.

While I spent my Saturday pulling a few hundred nails out of fifty-three boards of reclaimed cedar I started thinking about how I had been falling into a weird hole of other people's expectations of my abilities long before I started building things out of wood.

Cars - the same thing happened and continues to happen to me with cars.

I immediately thought of a brief comment thread I had with another reader and Travis when he and Matt drove the Audi from Florida a few months ago, hitting some awesome race tracks on the way back to New York:

This sort of thing happens all the time with car guys and I'm sure it happens all over whatever career you happen to be in as well. Sticking with the car theme, however, I can tell you that no amount of studying a track's layout makes a hill of beans difference to your ability to drive it until you actually, you know, drive it. My friends and I built a LeMons car a few years ago and I figured that out very quickly after I was strapped into our car for the first time.

I have found this expectation lingering when it comes to being able to modify a person's car as well. Just because I have swapped the C4 Cruise-o-Matic in my Mustang to a Toploader doesn't mean I want to spend the next four weekends with you in my garage, using my tools, helping you change the stock engine in your 1987 Honda CRX to an H22A. The people who ask for the bigger ticket items tend to be the people who only call when they need something, want something modified/fixed immediately, or are looking for a deal.

Just because I am a carpenter doesn't mean I want to spend a weekend helping you put a roof on your house and then not speak to you for two more years until you need a new deck.

Just because I own the proper tools to go mod-crazy on your Camaro doesn't mean I can afford to spend my weekend letting you use them right away when I have other things to do.

So, as enthusiasts in any regard, what have you all noticed with people holding high expectations of you because you are a car enthusiast? I am genuinely interested to know. At least one of you must have a story or two.

Grace and Peace,

-Drew

@JDrewSilvers

Victorious Secret > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 10:27

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I don't know what people expect of me, but I expect fellow enthusiasts not to be elitist douchebags who pander about this being better than that and this being inferior to that for arbitrary reasons that never make much sense.

Party-vi > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 10:29

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The biggest issue is people asking for car help. It started of as a compliment at first, "oh ask Levi he knows a lot about cars", but after a few months I'd get the most ridiculous questions about cars, from tire sizing questions to "should I supercharge my FJ Cruiser?" or "my car shakes when I'm in drive but doesn't when I'm in neutral can you fix it?"

I've done brake jobs for co-workers and friends, swapped tires, performed oil changes, and it just gets to the point that people assume you'll get a hard-on to go do their car stuff for them. I don't mention I'm into cars anymore to people I meet for fear of being asked to fix something or get into a "come listen to this noise" situation.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 10:30

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You forgot the instant "whats causing this sound" answer that pisses off people when you can't translate "ger err ert" into in "I think you need to grease your suspension bits".

Other good ones are "My mechanic spent 3 hours tearing abpart my ___ to find that my __ had worn out and needs replacement. Can you confirm having never seen the part, heard/felt the symptoms and have no idea what I'm talking about?"

And the default "What car should I buy?"

Stupidru > Party-vi 04/07/2014 at 10:37

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I'm a lowly gearhead, but I have a friend who is has been a mechanic for all of his professional life. I don't even talk cars with him unless he brings it up, because I know he spends his weekends fixing his brothers/aunts/mothers/friends cars since "I'll just give Adam a 6-pack and $20 to fix my car that shouldn't be allowed on the road at all".

Now for me, I have done brakes, oil changes, mod installation, etc. for friends and family, but I have gotten to sick of working on other peoples cars that I sometimes have to make up lies as to what I'm doing so that I don't have to install someone's cold air intake when I'd much rather be playing with my dog in the back yard

Frank Grimes > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 10:45

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I have a friend who I never hear from unless he needs something welded. It makes me angry. Dont these people see what they are doing? I have had friends who ask me to helpe them fix thier cars only to begin working and they are nowhere to be found and make zero effort to actually learn or at the least even attempt at helping or pretending to right there with me fixing their car.

I dont want to see people this way and want to be able to understand how people can act like this, but it is hard from my perspective because I have trouble asking for help I usually rather try and learn it myself. Like fixing jeans. I have a good pair with a hole in the crotch instead of paying or asking someone else to do it I will be learning how to darn and collected all the supplies needed on my own but I will have to borrow my moms sewing machine. To me its sort of an adventure to reach the end of my knowledge and go off trying to learn how to do it.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 10:50

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I think the worst is when people assume you're the King of Car Knowledge when you are an enthusiast and ask you all sorts of questions about car maintenance. The worst bit comes when they get all pissy when you say you don't know because you genuinely don't know the problem.

Nothing > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 11:04

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Thankfully, not much. Most of the people I know are not enthusiasts, or if they are, they are either more competent than me (at turning a wrench) or they simply buy new vehicles that need no work and are completely happy with dealerships maintaining their car. Most of my enthusiast interaction is online.

Ultimately, I enjoy working on my own vehicle (when I'm not cursing at it). I also only "like" working on my project vehicle, and I'll pretty much only help other people with their project vehicles. I won't assist on a DD. I work on my own time frame and if I don't feel like finishing something, well then, it can wait a day/week/month.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Victorious Secret 04/07/2014 at 11:16

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"I HATE YOU! AND I HATE THE CARS THAT YOU LIKE! EVEN IF I LIKED THEM, I NOW HATE THEM JUST BECAUSE IT'S YOU!" - Internet people

Jayhawk Jake > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 12:13

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It's not the automotive enthusiast that gives me issues, it's the engineering profession.

If I had a dollar for every time someone gave me crap for not doing math in my head, I could buy a miata.

First of all, I'm an engineer, not a mathematician. Secondly, THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE CALCULATORS AND COMPUTERS! Sorry I'm not capable of calculating 28% of 1562 in seconds within my head.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 12:20

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First, this is gorgeous. I love working with wood, all my projects have only been odd projects (diddley bow, bike rack). I might try to make some shelves this summer though.

My story is the reverse of every enthusiast, I think, haha. As a frequent off-roader and occasional DIYer my roommate expects us to go wheeling sometime together or build something. For example I have a bumper for the truck that is still on the ground of the room and he wants to help install. Now, it's not like I don't like help, but I'm very particular about who touches my truck because most people either complain or they try to take over the project (he's this kind of guy). I hate that shit because when it comes to my truck, most of the time I know what I'm doing, and when I don't, I don't want you breathing down my neck saying how we should try your idea and end up fucking it all up.

I don't mind when people ask me questions about their car. Sometimes I don't know the answer, and I'm ok with telling them I don't know. I usually tell people beforehand what kinds of cars I know about and we go from there. Occasionally the person who asks me a question I don't know the answer to will get angry and that's annoying.

Übel > Nothing 04/07/2014 at 12:53

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KurtAKX > Party-vi 04/07/2014 at 13:00

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"come listen to this trivial noise when I'm going over a bump, turning, at WOT, in cold weather" questions are the worst!

KurtAKX > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 13:05

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I love where this discussion is going.
Besides my day gig as an engineer at large automaker, I have my master mechanic's license with endorsements in driveability, engine rebuild, trans and clutch, suspension, brakes, HVAC, electrical etc.
I get an awful lot of "I hear a squeaking when I'm driving, what's wrong?"

Without seeing the car, driving the car, or hearing the noise it's pretty tough to say.

I would never call my doctor and say "I have runny nose, what do you think it is?"

I really don't get a hard-on for replacing your sister's Corolla's 180k mile, worn-out rear brakes and rusted-up e-brake cables while my own more interesting projects sit languishing in the garage.

Team6.1 > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 13:51

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People asking ridiculous questions about non-enthusiast cars. Like, my 2001 bug is making a weird noise, what is it?

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 14:06

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I have literally no problem whatsoever with people asking for diagnosis help. It's minimal work on my part, and it's great experience as you never know whether the same symptoms might occur in your car in a month's time. It also makes me happy whenever I can pinpoint a problem noise as it makes me seem like a bit of a magic-man to most people, although I do readily admit when I'm not sure of something.

I'm expected to do most maintenence on my family's fleet. As they've given me such a fantastic place in which to indulge in my hobby (we'll be building a 6-berth garage in the not-too-distant future) I have no problem with that either.

Saying that, just because I like cars does not mean I want to replace the pads on a random co-worker's Ford Fiesta. Pay me and I'll consider it, but I'm under no obligation to do so. Likewise, if you're doing something interesting I'd be more than willing to help.

This sort of problem is also why I don't particularly want to get into modifying/restoring cars as a business. I'd feel that I'd be constantly building cars to someone else's specifications. What I'd love to do is something like Magnus Walker. He's made his fortune elsewhere, and just builds the cars that he wants to build., with no real requirement to sell them on afterwards. That's what I'd love to do.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Team6.1 04/07/2014 at 14:08

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I love these questions. It really lets you flex your diagnosing muscles, although only if you can actually get a drive in the car.

Who knows, your car might get the same symptoms in a month or so's time.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Party-vi 04/07/2014 at 14:17

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The way I treat it is I make it painfully clear that 'normal' car maintenence bores the fuck out of me. I'll give advice for most things, even if it's just 'go and have a professional check it out'. Doing jobs that people should really go to a garage for is another matter though.

Oh, the other thing I do is recommend cars like XJ40s and other dirt-cheap luxury cars when people ask what car to buy. Even if it costs an arm and a leg to keep running, you'll only be spending Ł1500 to get a good one. Try spending the difference between that and a Ł10,000 cheap hatchback during your ownership.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > KurtAKX 04/07/2014 at 14:17

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I love those. You sound like a magician when you can pinpoint them successfully.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 04/07/2014 at 14:23

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This :) if people get pissed off that I can't/won't fix their car, that's a problem with the person themselves, not the act.

KurtAKX > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 04/07/2014 at 15:33

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I've found squeaking sway bar bushings and a rubbing e-brake cable. I'd rather be left alone than constantly tapped for my (seriously, it's just common sense!) "magic"

BoulderZ > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 18:02

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"I have come back into my family business of carpentry and am carving a niche of my own in building one-off furniture"

I notice, and salute, your excellent pun. Also, awesome table!

Towards your point, it made me think of The Truck Owner's Problem, where people mistake you for Atlas Van Lines. Before I decided not to have any stickers of any sort on my cars, I got to the point where I had to put one on my pickup: "Yes, I own a truck. No, I will not help you move." It actually did help. I haven't had that sticker for about 10 years , but the frequency of the request has greatly diminished (if not disappeared) with time after grad school graduation.

For auto (and other areas of expertise/interest), I've found a mild laugh/smile with "Sorry, but you can't afford the going rate for my free time" works very well.

Or, "I'd love to, but I've got projects on my own cars that have been waiting for months." Or house projects/repairs, and so on.

And one that's worked (and is true) for me lately, "I've been on travel for a week, I'm spending this weekend with my wife and son" or catching up on everything I haven't gotten done while out of town, etc.

J. Drew Silvers > Party-vi 04/07/2014 at 19:46

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It's a double-edged sword. When I first started playing guitar, a much older friend of mine said: "You'll figure out that playing a guitar is a blessing and a curse. You'll have knowledge and skill, but won't be able to walk by one without someone asking you to play a song." I think that fits into this situation as well.

J. Drew Silvers > Stupidru 04/07/2014 at 19:48

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That sounds eerily familiar... But I'm honest now and just say "no". Harsh, but I swore off white lies and it makes you figure out if the people in your life can actually handle living in reality or are sheltered.

J. Drew Silvers > KurtAKX 04/07/2014 at 19:49

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"It only rattles when I first start the car and there is dew on the ground." Yep...

J. Drew Silvers > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 04/07/2014 at 19:51

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That opening line made me laugh. Are you in the UK?

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > J. Drew Silvers 04/07/2014 at 19:53

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Thanks :) I am yeah. Nice Sherlocking. :)

J. Drew Silvers > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 04/07/2014 at 19:54

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All valid points and entirely true, my friend. Like the person who hears wind noise above 40mph and you find their window down just a hair.

J. Drew Silvers > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 04/07/2014 at 19:57

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I sympathize with you. I have an uncle who is retired and hangs out in the shop when I'm building stuff and he points out things I'm doing "wrong" pretty regularly when he has no concept of what I'm actually doing. He retired from a job doing maintenance on heavy machinery, by the way. He knows nothing about carpentry.

J. Drew Silvers > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/07/2014 at 19:59

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#CarHipsters

J. Drew Silvers > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 04/07/2014 at 20:02

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That's why I don't like doing kitchen remodeling. So many things change in the process because of a homeowner changing their mind halfway through that it's hard to make money for all the time you waste.

J. Drew Silvers > Nothing 04/07/2014 at 20:04

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I agree. I'm much more inclined to work on a car that has sat around in someone's garage for a few years in a ground-up build than I am to work on someone's daily transportation.

J. Drew Silvers > Frank Grimes 04/07/2014 at 20:06

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I think that person went from "friend" to "eternal mooch"... Let's be honest.

J. Drew Silvers > Jayhawk Jake 04/07/2014 at 20:07

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Haha. You're on point, sir.

J. Drew Silvers > KurtAKX 04/07/2014 at 20:08

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Wow, good for you. I'm impressed.

J. Drew Silvers > BoulderZ 04/07/2014 at 20:12

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I actually don't have a truck of my own, but I'm saving to buy one and that's the only thing that has held me off from buying one in the past. Hopefully I'll get one that's a three on the tree so nobody will ask to borrow it. If that doesn't pan out, I'll have to get one that's a floor shift manual (deterrent #1) and probably invest in the sticker you have so graciously suggested (deterrent #2). Your responses are pretty golden as well. Good post, Sir!

rayJoyal > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 17:24

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I have an easy-out for not fixing cars that belong to friends of co-workers. I don't have insurance to fix your car, so if the wheels fall off after the brake job and you sue me, I'd be in trouble.

However, I will help you fix your own car. You can come over, use all my tools, make a big mess, but you must be fixing it and I am helping. This narrows it down pretty quick to my actual friends.

Said friends have normal cars AND fun cars, so it's not just brake pads on boring cars. It's helping install a 383 into a 72 Nova or aligning the rear end on a Formula V.

Also, when people are helping you fix your car, it's very important to treat them well. When they're at my house armpit deep in transmission fluid, they get fed and beveraged. Free food, free pop, free beer, all you can eat hand cleaner and unlimited paper towels and nitrile gloves.

Also, I'm a computer tech, so for the last 20 years, I've been free tech support for the world.

jalop1991 > Jayhawk Jake 04/12/2014 at 17:46

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somethin' less than 500, give or take.

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Xavier Corral > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 18:29

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I am an auto enthusiast but also a designer. Dear lord almighty do people take advantage of designers. At one point of my life I realized the only time my cell phone ever rang was when one of my "friends" wanted a "quick logo it will be easy for you blah blah blah fucksticks."

JustinAten > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 18:52

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"How much should it cost to fix (Insert Problem Here)? A shop told me $XXX.XX, does that sound right or is that too much?"

I fix my own car, therefore I don't pay shops to fix cars, therefore I have less knowledge about the COST of car repair than someone who knows nothing at all about car repair. If you want to know how much a repair costs, ask an airhead with a lemon.

My answer to the "How much should this repair cost?" question is: "The hourly service rate multiplied by the number of hours it takes, and the cost of replacement parts, and tax."

PyramidHat > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 20:34

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You think that's bad, imagine owning a pickup...

PyramidHat > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 04/12/2014 at 20:36

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Yep. Mom's car was cutting out intermittently (2001 Sable). Brother and I did some cursory checks, but that was it - no real knowledge of fuel injection or engine management systems, etc... Her response: "Your father used to be able to fix cars [in the 70's]; I can't believe neither of you can fix this...."

Fuel_of_Satan > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 21:07

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Fuel_of_Satan > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 21:08

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I hoon, therefore I am > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 21:25

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First and foremost, if any of my friends wanted help swapping engines in a CRX, I'd be there in a heartbeat if I wasn't too busy. I helped a buddy install and then TBI a 454 in his Jeep M715, and loved every minute of it. I did much of the harness work, gathered much of the info for both swaps, and did a lot more legwork, but damn that's the stuff I love. I'm now helping a guy I met off ls1tech plan an LS build for his Nova because I did the same on mine. The payoff is in the experience.

But basic maintenance or fixing something mundane? Nope, not for free.

Luken10 > Stupidru 04/12/2014 at 22:17

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I enjoy working on cars as a hobby. My rule of thumb is if a person asks me to fix/work on their car, they have to help me do it. I love teaching people new things, and sometimes I'll learn some tips from them as well.

kyle242gt > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 23:14

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To all the complainants: Get a car lift of your own, then watch the fair weather friends come out of the (ugh) woodwork.

signintokinjalol > J. Drew Silvers 04/12/2014 at 23:57

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Oh, people talk to you guys?

Hmmm...

Zack Klapman > J. Drew Silvers 04/13/2014 at 00:04

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I agree with you in general. Someone will tell their friend, "He knows everything about cars." which really only means that I know more than person A, and then person B will ask me a question about the pedal metallurgy of an old Ford their grandpa has, and I have to know it.

But in regard to track knowledge, before my Lemons race at Sonoma, I spent 3 hours driving the track in Forza 4, in a car as similar to the Lemons car as possible, and it helped A LOT. I still didn't know the nuances of the track, and my lap times dropped over the weekend, but I at least knew "Oh yeah, there's that hill here, and then at carousel." It kept me from being caught totally off guard. But to expect Travis to memorize half a dozen tracks through Forza is silly, because he is way too busy to play that much.

Readers also shouldn't expect every scribe to know EVERYTHING about the entire automotive universe. That reader might know all the tracks, but he might not know the specs of new cars, or old cars, or how to drive. There's only so much you can know, and I'll tell you that learning track layouts is way low on the list of an auto journo's daily tasks.

Remember people, your personal focus is not the same as everyone else's.

Kyle Workman > J. Drew Silvers 04/13/2014 at 07:46

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I've built a couple of old cars in the past, but I love making furniture from pallets. Its complete recycling. Some of the furniture I donate other pieces I sell to buy my tools.

toyotasupraman > J. Drew Silvers 04/13/2014 at 10:52

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Ironically (or is it coincidentally?), he mentions two videogames that DON'T have VIR in their track lists.

J. Drew Silvers > toyotasupraman 04/13/2014 at 13:36

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That makes it even better. I wouldn't know the difference without research because I couldn't tell you the last video game I played. That made me laugh, thank you.

oldirtybootz > J. Drew Silvers 04/13/2014 at 21:12

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The assumption that just because you're into cars that means you are able to diagnose and fix them. Cars are my passion and I love to get dirty while working on them, but I'm very limited in what I can actually do. Want an oil change, tire rotation, mount and balance, replace battery, etc? Sure, I can probably help you, but no I don't know what that noise is, or how to fix it, or how much the parts might cost...

Also, being a detailer you always get people asking you to clean their cars. I work 6 days a week, unless I'm strapped for cash, I dont want to spend my Sunday cleaning the 95 Maxima you just bought off craigslist for $50.

J. Drew Silvers > PyramidHat 04/13/2014 at 23:35

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Haha. I haven't had that one yet. In due time, I'm sure.

J. Drew Silvers > oldirtybootz 04/13/2014 at 23:39

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I get that with carpentry too. I enjoy what I do, but having at least one day each week of not doing it is preferred. I know very few people who want to do the same job on their weekend as they do during the week unless it's to help someone in actual need, you know? Like plumbers who charge a higher rate for weekend calls probably don't jump at the chance to help their friend replace a water heater on a Saturday morning at a discounted rate. And I don't think it's being greedy if they refuse. Surgeons don't do discounted appendix removals for their friends...

J. Drew Silvers > signintokinjalol 04/13/2014 at 23:41

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To whom are you referring and in what context?

J. Drew Silvers > Zack Klapman 04/13/2014 at 23:50

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Case in point: I don't care for keeping up with racing - at all. I also hate supercars because I think they're like designer jewelry and to make a statement for 99% of the people who buy them. I appreciate the technology that goes into them and how they advance the automotive field, but if I see one in a parking lot it doesn't phase me. But I can rebuild an engine and replace practically anything on a car - it doesn't make me any less than those who drool over Ferraris.

J. Drew Silvers > kyle242gt 04/13/2014 at 23:51

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That's why I'm scared to buy a truck.

J. Drew Silvers > Kyle Workman 04/13/2014 at 23:52

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I'm not as much into the pallets as the salvage aspect. Have anything I can look at? I'm interested in what you've built. Here is some random stuff I've built in my spare time over the past month: https://www.etsy.com/shop/JDrewCarp…

J. Drew Silvers > PyramidHat 04/13/2014 at 23:54

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I'm building all of this furniture out of reclaim wood to buy one without financing. Hopefully a three on the tree so nobody will ask to borrow it since most people can't drive a manual and practically nobody can drive a column shift.

J. Drew Silvers > Fuel_of_Satan 04/13/2014 at 23:55

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Was there supposed to be dialogue with this?

PyramidHat > J. Drew Silvers 04/14/2014 at 00:06

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Nonono...you don't get it...it's not that they want to borrow it - that's not the problem. The problem is that they want you to help them move their stuff. It's why they had to invent this bumper sticker:

Fuel_of_Satan > J. Drew Silvers 04/14/2014 at 07:13

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You work/write for these people, don't you recognize when a response is bugged, or Kinja'd as they say around here?

Anyhoo, I didn't even know this was here, talk to your employee about it.

J. Drew Silvers > PyramidHat 04/14/2014 at 19:11

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The saying "no" to helping is the easy thing for me. Everyone in my circle knows I work 6-day weeks and spend Sundays doing my own thing. People are more into asking me if they can borrow things as of late. Never loan anyone a lawn mower, by the way.

J. Drew Silvers > Fuel_of_Satan 04/14/2014 at 21:12

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That's why I asked. Sometimes people link a picture in a comment along with the text they have typed and it doesn't show up. I was just making sure I didn't miss something. Have a good day then.